InfoWorld: There are some interesting parallels. Google invented containers and drove cgroups into the Linux kernel.
Greene: I know. When I was at VMware I used to say: Hey you guys, don't you want to use our virtual machines?
InfoWorld: Part of the reason I'm harping on hybrid cloud and container portability is that the actual movement of enterprise workloads to the public cloud is not happening as quickly as I thought.
Greene: It's happening more quickly than I thought it would.
InfoWorld: You think so?
Greene: Yes, it is. I think once people realize in order to be secure they have to be in a public cloud, they get a sense of urgency because no one wants to be hacked.
InfoWorld: And nobody is secure.
Greene: Nobody is secure. I think it's actually happening faster in large part for that reason. The other reason they're moving is they want to take advantage of the data analytics tools and machine learning, and they know they have to go to the cloud to get that. That's what is going to really start differentiating companies: how well they use their data to serve their customers better.
InfoWorld: Do you think it's a different sort of adoption model within enterprise organizations than the old days of the software titans?
Greene: Yeah. It's interesting. I think the CIO's role has evolved, and they're choosing SaaS products to run their business, where they don't have to bring it in and install it and develop the implementation anymore. A huge chunk of stuff they used to do is gone in terms of using SaaS instead of installing Oracle or Microsoft on-prem and managing that installation. That's a sea change.
Then they go into the cloud for their infrastructure, so they're not managing their own infrastructure anymore -- they're managing a relationship. It's a relationship that needs managing because a lot of communication and help and optimization has to go on between both sides.
I think it's happening pretty quickly, and I think if it doesn't happen quickly, companies are going to be at a big disadvantage. I think it's on us to make it easy for them because that's what's holding them back. They're like: How do I do this? Where are the tools? How disruptive will it be? And it's on us to make it as nondisruptive as possible.
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